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How to Join

Please contact the project leader Julie Mangano or leave a comment at the foot of the page. If you have any questions, just ask. Thanks!

Goals

This is a One Name Study to collect together in one place everything about the Schott surname. The hope is that other researchers like you will join our study to help make it a valuable reference point for people studying lines that cross or intersect.

Oldest Schott profile: Heinrich Schott
Born: 1100, Eysenrodt, Hesse

Define the birth towns of individuals with Schott surname. Track backwards through generations to see if they originated in a general area, such as within a 50-mile radius of the town of Schotten. See: http://bit.ly/2vxa8p2.

Notes and Updates

I recently discovered that Johann Jakob Schott, one of the original settlers of Grimm, was Catholic, rather than Lutheran. In He apparently converted a Protestant religion, Lutheran, after he immigrated to Grimm. When Grimm's first census was taken in 1767, he identified himself as Catholic. Here is the entry:

68. Jakob Schott 25, Catholic craftsman from Mehlis. [Zelle-Mehlis?]
Wife: Margaretha, 22; Son: Johann Konrad Andreas, 1 month old

See : Pleve, Igor. Einwanderung in das Wolgagebiet 1764-1767, Heerstellung: Mecke Druck and Verlag, 37115 Duderstandt; Published 1999; family #68. Miller-33353 17:17, 5 September 2017 (EDT)


Task List

1. Adopt orphaned Schott profiles and research to the greatest extent possible. If no birth year, estimate based on other sources, like a death record, for example. Find birth location. Connect to tree, if possible.

Orphaned Profiles


2. Find sources for all unsourced profiles. Once a profile has been sourced, make a notation next to their name on the list below. Connect to the tree, if possible.

Unsourced Profiles



3. Document birth cities and countries of people named Schott. The goal is to see how the name spread from Schotten, Germany, around the world. Eventually I'd like to have an online map with flags and lines that show immigration routes to other cities and countries. If you have the skills to create a map, please let me know. I've started a list of cities below.


Austria


Australia

Berrima, New South Wales
Brisbane, Queensland
Macleay River, New South Wales


Bohemia

Lischin
Mantau


Canada

Montreal
Waterloo, Waterloo County, Ontario


Denmark

Grarup


France

Alsace
Dabo, Moselle
Lockmühl, Moselle, Lorraine
Schaeferhof, Moselle, Lorraine


Germany

Boeblingen, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg
Braunfels an der Lahn
Braunfels, Lahn-Dill, Hesse
Cannstatt, Neckar, Wuerttemberg
Dabo, Grafschaft Dagsburg, Heiliges Römisches Reich
Diepholz
Dutenhofen, Wetzlar, Lahn-Dill, Hesse
Ehningen, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg
Ellenberg
Ellwangen, Hanover
Geinsheim:
Hanover, Lower Saxony
Hembach, Odenwaldkreis, Hessen
Holzgerlingen, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg
Knittelsheim
Kronach
Limbach, Germany
Merchweiler Glashütte, Saarland
Rencken, Baden-Baden, Baden-Wuerttemberg
Rollfeld
Somerhau, Bavaria
Stuttgart, Stuttgart, Baden-Württemberg
Westheim
Zweibrucken


Luxembourg

Assel, Grevenmacher


Netherlands

Arnhem


Russia

Grimm, Saratov


Switzerland


United States

Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Chesterfield Township, Michigan
Cincinatti, Ohio
Dauphin County, Pennsylvania
DeKalb County, Missouri
Derry, Dauphin County, Pennsylvania
Detroit, Wayne, Michigan
East Orange, Essex, New Jersey
Elmore, Ottawa, Ohio
Eysenrodt, Hesse
Fayette, Seneca, New York
Frankfort, Kentucky
Hamilton, Ohio
Harris, Texas
Houston, Harris, Texas
Jefferson City, Missouri
Kentucky
LaGrange, Fayette County, Texas
Lancaster County, Pennsylvania
Londonderry, Dauphin County, Pennsylvania
Metz, Presque Isle, Michigan
Middletown, Dauphin County, Pennsylvania
Millersburg, Dauphin, Pennsylvania
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Montgomery, Pennsylvania
New Jersey
New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana
Osceola, Polk County, Nebraska
Quincy, Illinois
Rochester, St Charles, Minnesota
Sabinsville, Tioga, Pennsylvania
Stokes County, North Carolina
Swatara, Dauphin County, Pennsylvania
Utica, Winona, Minnesota
Waterloo, Seneca County, New York
Welch Twp., Cape Girardeau Co., MO
Winona, Minnesota




4. Secure copy of A True Relation by John Schott

Author: John Schott
Publisher: Oxford : Oxford University Press, 1929.
Edition/Format: Print book : English : [Rev. ed., repr.] / revised, with notes, by Sir Samuel Haslam ScottView all editions and formats
Database: WorldCat
Summary:

John (Johann) Schott was born at Catzenfurth (in Nassau, now in Germany) in 1541. His ancestors derived their name from the founders of the religious settlement called Zu den Schotten in old Franconia (now the Rhein-Mein region of Germany, near Frankfurt). From Schotten they migrated to Nassau and later to Braunfels, where John Schott's immediate ancestors lived for several generations.

This book, published in 1929, is no longer in print. It must be purchased second hand. There is also the opportunity to view online at select genealogy libraries. For Salt Lake City library, you must be in the facility or at an approved local library to view online because there are limited licenses.

See: http://www.worldcat.org/title/true-relation/oclc/866379467

Goal is to collect information in online profiles back to the religious settlement founders noted above. These female founders were said to be nuns acting as Catholic missionaries who started a monestery in Germany. They were from Ireland via Scotland, hence the name Scot or Schott. Schott is a direct translation of the English and Scots Scott.



5. Post your direct family line as a family unit. The goal is to find a link between family units using traditional and/or DNA research.



Resources

History of the Schott Surname

http://carolynschott.com/germany/the-history-of-the-schott-name/

"There are several theories for the origin of the name Schott. The one described by Johann Schott von Schottenborn in 1587 is that Schott ancestors originated in the town of Schotten in Hessen, Germany. He describes how his branch of the family left Schotten and settled first near Eisemroth, Hessen. They were smelters and forgers of iron goods for many years until the late 1100s when the country and forests were destroyed due to the wars of Emperor Friedrich Barbarossa.
"Without forests to provide the charcoal necessary for iron smelting, the family scattered throughout Hessen. Johann Schott von Schottenborn’s ancestors settled in Braunfels, Hessen. As these families scattered, they would likely have been known as being “zu Schotten” or “from Schotten,” which would have eventually been shortened to using Schott as a last name.
"Later critics of the 1587 Schottenchronik are Von Hartmann Pieper and J. Reinhardt Schott, Jr., who published an update to this document sometime after 1960. They warn that Johann Schott von Schottenborn’s work is based on oral tradition, not documented fact or church records that can be objectively proven. They suggest several other possibilities for the origin of the Schott name. One possibility is that any foreigner that was from Scotia (Scotland or Ireland) might have been tagged with the name Schott or Schotten whether or not they originated from the town of Schotten. They believe that it would have been very common for a foreigner to have been singled out even before last names were commonly in use.
"Pieper and Schott also suggest the possibility that Schott was a variation on a word for peddler or merchant. Another possibility is that it came from a medieval first name, Schotto.
"While it’s true that there are many possibilities for the origin of the name and that the genealogical facts in Johann Schott von Schottenborn’s 1587 document are based primarily on oral tradition rather than documentation, there are a number of pieces of evidence that would seem to (at least partially) support his opinion."


Town of Schotten

http://carolynschott.com/germany/schotten-germany-land-of-my-people/

"The town of Schotten is said to be the place of origin of both the Schott family and the Schott name sometime between the 11th and 13th centuries. The official history for the town of Schotten, Germany, is that an early document mentions a church “ad scotis” or “of the Scots” that is one of eight churches that Abbot Beatus bequeaths to the monastery Honau by Strasbourg. It is thought that this is likely to have been the first church in Schotten, which was built by Irish-Scottish monks.
"This church probably grew, and by 1050, the first Roman Catholic church was built. Then, in the 1300s, the original Liebfrauenkirche (which was still in existence in 2001) was built in the town of Schotten.
"A slightly more romantic version of this story is described in Johann Schott von Schottenborn’s 1587 family chronicle. [Quotes are from Sir Samuel Haslam Scott’s English translation.] This describes the origin of the village in 1015, when two Scottish princesses (Dickmunda and Adelmunda/Rosamunda) “founded at Wetter in the land of Hessen a nunnery.”
"While the idea of Scottish (which may have actually been Irish) princesses wandering around 11th century Germany may seem improbable, there is evidence to support this. During a renovation of the church in Schotten in the 1700s, a parchment document dating from the 1300s was discovered which stated (in Latin): “anno 1015 after the birth of Christ in the reign of the King nicknamed the lame (Henry II, Emperor 1002 – 1024) two sisters from Scotia, one called Rosamunda, the other Dicmudis, began to build this town and our first church at Schotten.” There were also two wooden busts of these two sisters found in the church."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schotten http://www.maybole.org/community/organisations/twinning/schotten/schotten.htm


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Research Notes

Volga Germans from the village Grimm named Schott are descended from Johann Jakob Schott . One of the main goals for this one name study is to determine the German town he was born in trace his route to Russia. This includes his marriages and children. For this purpose, he is referred to as Ground Zero Schott. Posted below are the notes gathered thus far.

Johann Jakob Schott was most likely the son of Johannes Schott-633 and Margaretha Meuerer Meuerer-1 Schott of Holzgerlingen, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg, born 03 June 1739. He was one of 10 children, the middle child and second to the youngest boy. In fact, this is almost the only possible connection in all the Schott vital records online.

Possible Birth Record

Johann Jacob Schott

Event Date 1644 - 1747
Event Date 1739
Gender Male
Birth Date 03 Jun 1739
Birth Year 1739
Christening Date 04 Jun 1739
Christening Place Evangelisch, Holzgerlingen, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg
Father's Name Johannes Schott
Mother's Name Margaretha

Possible Baptism Record

Name: Johann Jacob Schott
Event Type: Taufe (Baptism)
Birth Date: 3 Jun 1739
Baptism Date: 4 Jun 1739
Baptism Place: Holzgerlingen, Württemberg, Deutschland (Germany)
Father: Johannes Schott
Mother: Margaretha Schott
Page Number: 246;247
Author: Evangelische Kirche Holzgerlingen (OA. Böblingen)
City or District: Holzgerlingen

The birth year 1739 is a close match with the estimated birth year based on his age given to the Grimm census taker in 1775. His age is listed as 35, giving him a birth year of about 1740.

I can find no German marriage records for Johann Jacob Schott and Anna Margaretha Becker, which may mean the two didn't marry until they were in Russia. There is a marriage record found in German Migration to the Russian Volga (1764-1767 that shows a Jacob Schott married Anna Maria Spengler 08 April 1766 in Büdingen, Germany. (See page 63, #495, Jacob Schott.) This may or may not be the same Johann Jacob Schott, since there were numerous Schotts named Jacob who immigrated to Russia. See the discussion about this marriage record in the AHSGR Origins Project section below.

The Johann Jakob Schott of this profile immigrated from Germany to Russia and immediately settled in Grimm. He is listed in the 1767, 1775, and 1798 Grimm censuses. I do not have a copy of the 1767 census, so I don't know what town he said was his hometown, nor can I confirm any children who may have been living with him.

The 1775 Grimm census shows Schott and his wife, Anna Margaretha Becker as follows:

Jakob Schott, husband, age 35, birth year around 1740
Margaretha Schott, wife, age 28, birth year around 1747
Andreas Schott, son, age 8, birth year around 1767
Johann Philip Schott, son, age 3.5, birth year around 1771

The 1798 census shows the family entry (#32) like this:

Jakob Schott, husband, age 59, birth year around 1739
Anna Margareta Becker, wife, age 51, birth year around1747
Johann Phillip Schott, son, age 27, birth year around 1771
Maria Elizabeta Hess, wife of Johann Phillip Schott, age 28, birth year around 1770
Maria Elizabeta Schott, daughter of Johann Phillip Schott, age 1, born about 1797
Johannes Schott, son, age 20, born around 1778
Johann Heinrich Schott, son, age 14, born around 1784
Anna Margareta Schott, daughter, age 18, born around 1780

His son Andreas was listed in a separate family, #39, with Andreas as the head of the household:

Andreas Schott, husband, age 30, born around 1768
Christina Bender, wife, age 30, born around 1768
Johann Jakob Schott, son, age 8, born around 1790
Johann Phillip Schott, son, age 3, born around 1795
Johann Michael Schott, age 1/2, born around 1798

Immigration Resources

The Kulberg Reports

There is a Jacob Schott and family listed in the Kulberg Reports, page 131, Document #1796. His wife's name was Anna, which also matches with this Johann Jacob Schott and wife Anna Spengler. The children and their ages don't exactly match up with those in the 1775 Grimm census, but that is not surprising since so many people, including children and infants, perished along the journey to the Volga Region. This entry reads:

  • Jacob Schott, Lutheran farmer from Stolberg, doc. No. 1796, wife: Anna, children: Johann, 4, Anna Maria, 11, Anna, 1.

Stolberg is not a match for Wuerttemberg or Hesse, the birth places for the Johann Jakob Schott and Anna Spengler noted above. There are no vital records for a Johann Jakob Schott being born in Stolberg between 1728 and 1732. If this record refers to the same Johann Jakob Schott in this profile, the city of Stolberg was a place he moved to at some point after his birth.

This could also be a match to Johann Jakob Schott and his wife Anna Margaretha Becker, but there are potential problems.

  • The family does not appear on the Volga German Transport List. They should be listed there, even if they perished before they reached their final destination. The most likely explanation is that their name was misspelled. I checked all the names listed as started with the letters Sch andSh but didn't find a match.
  • None of the children in the Kulberg Reports appear in the Grimm census. It could still be the same family, as that which was mentioned in the Kulberg Reports, but then some of their children did not survive. Again, this was not unusual as the journey to the Volga region was extremely difficult and many people died.
  • The full name of wife Anna is not confirmed anywhere in the Kulberg Reports. Unless we can find birth records for those three children in Germany and they actually list their mother's full name, we may never be able to confirm if the Anna of the Kulberg Reports is Anna Maria Spengler of the Buedingen marriage records (see discussion below) or Anna Margaretha Becker of the Grimm census records.

I know some settlers arrived earlier than 1767 and settled in another village before finally relocating to Grimm, but it's not clear if the Schotts were part of that group of settlers.


The Emigration from Germany to Russia in the Years 1763 to 1862

According to Karl Stumpp's book, it says there were two Schotts who immigrated to the Volga region of Russia:

  • Johann Peter Schott, from Kirchbracht/Gelnhausen, Hesse, who married Margareta Scheller from Niederseeman/Buedingen in Buedingen
  • Jakob Schott, who married his wife Anna Maria Spengler in 1766 in Buedingen

This is probably not a complete list of Schotts who immigrated to Russia, as there are several others mentioned in other sources.

The first one, Johann Peter Schott, can be eliminated as a match because clearly his name is different from the Johann Jakob Schott of this profile.

The second one is a possible match.

I checked online resources for German vital records. The only birth record I could find for an Anna Maria Spengler anywhere in Hesse is:

Name Anna Maria Spengler
Gender Female
Christening Date 17 Oct 1729
Christening Place Sankt Ignaz, Mainz, Rheinhessen, Hessen
Father's Name Georgii Udalrici Spengler
Mother's Name Annae Mariae

When I expanded the search to all of Germany, there were only a few more possibile matches, but most of them were Catholic. Although an inter-faith marriage is always possible, it probably rules them out since this Schott family was Lutheran.

If Stumpp's second reference is in fact the Johann Jakob Shott of this profile, then he was married at least twice:

  • First wife: Anna Maria Spengler, born 1729
  • Second wife: Anna Margaretha Becker, born 1748

According to Grimm census records, our Johann Jakob Schott was born around 1740, so that means that Anna Maria Spengler, born in 1729, would have been 11 years older than her husband. This kind of an age gap was not unusual during that time in history.

In fact it's possible that Spengler was married at least once before, making Schott her second husband. She may have had children by her first husband, too, children that Schott took responsibility for after their marriage. This makes sense when you consider that Schott would have been only 16 years old at the time that daughter Anna Maria, born in 1756, as detailed in the Kulberg Report. Although that's physicially possible, the reality is that she may not have been his biological daughter.

If this Johann Jakob Schott and Anna Maria Spengler were in fact the Schott couple that eventually lived in Grimm, then:

  • It confirms that Schott was married at least twice, since the two women had different names, first to Anna Maria Spengler and second Anna Margaretha Becker.
  • It rules out Anna Margaretha Becker, born in 1748, being the mother of Schott's eldest child, Anna Maria, who was born in 1756. Anna Margaretha would have been only 8 at the time of Anna Maria's birth, highly unlikely if even possible.

Since we can confirm that Schott and Becker were married using Grimm census records, the relationship between this Schott and Spengler needs to be proven. The marriage record from Buedingen appears to give proof of their relationship and marriage.


AHSGR Origins Project

If Spengler and Schott were married before arriving in Russia, their union ended shortly after their arrival. Anna Maria may have died, which is entirely plausible and an opinion I support. However, the AHSGR Origins Project suggests that the two may have divorced and remarried, although it's not said in so many words.

First they mention a Schott living in Galka:

"SchottFN{J.Jacob}: said by the Galka FSL #47 to be fromUC Mittelsinn?[sic], Stolberg[?]. Using LDS Film 1201682 Dick Kraus proved his March 1753 Mittel-Seemen [Stolberg-Gedern County] parish marriage to Schmidt {A.Catharina} which indicates that his father {L.Henrich} was from Ober-Seemen. The births of Jacob and Catharina’s children are recorded in Mittel-Seemen parish as follows: A. Maria in Feb 1756, A. Catharina in May 1759, J. Caspar in May 1762, and A. Catharina in July 1765. For 1798 see Mai1798:Gm27."

For those not familiar with the Volga German census records, this means that there are two colonies being discussed above: Galka and Grimm. The bulk of the paragraph appears to refer to a Jakob Schott from Galka, in the 1775 census in family #47. The last sentence, in bold, implies that for 1798 census details about this same man, to see the Grimm census, family #27.

Someone is trying to say that Johann Jakob Schott in Galka FSL #47 is the same person as 1) the Johann Jakob Schott listed in the Kulberg Report, and 2) the Johann Jakob Schott who immigrated to Grimm. This is wrong, minimally with regard to the Jakob Schott who settled in Grimm.

  • The Johann Jakob Schott who was living in Grimm appeared in the 1767, 1775 and 1798 Grimm censuses. He cannot also be listed in the Galka 1767 census or any later Galka censuses. This alone proves that the Galka Jakob Schott and the Grimm Jakob Schott were different people.
  • If the Galka Schott and the Kulberg Schott were the same person, then Mrs. Schott went by two names: Anna and Catharina. While the Anna in the Kulberg Reports may have been named Anna Catharina, she would have likely used the same name in official documents, and not switched back and forth between them, especially regarding birth records for her children.
  • The children listed in in Dick Kraus's research using LDS Film 1201682 are completely different from the children listed in the Kulberg Reports. Because their birth years overlap, it highly unlikely that these are the same families.
  • In Dick Kraus's research, Mrs. Schott was Anna Catharina Schmidt. In the Kulberg Reports, Mrs. Schott was Anna Maria Spengler. In the Grimm census records, she was Anna Margaretha Becker. These are three different women.
  • At the end of that entry, it says "see Mai1798:Gm27." (GM27 means the 1798 Grimm census, family #27.) Household #27 is that of Gottlieb Schultz and his wife Anna Maria Schott from Galka. Initially I thought that it was saying Anna Maria Spengler Schott had married Mr. Schultz, but soon realized that her age was off.
The Anna Maria Schott in the 1798 Grimm census was born in 1755.
Anna Maria Spengler was born in 1729.

The Anna Maria Schott born in 1755 was instead the daughter of one of the Johann Jakob Schotts. She could have been one of Jakob and Catharina Schott's daughters, completely unrelated to the Johann Jakob Schott who had lived in Grimm since 1767. She could have also been the Anna Maria Schott listed in the Kulberg Reports, whose mother was Anna Maria Spengler Schott.

This brings up another problem regarding Johann Jakob Shott and Anna Maria Spengler. If they were married in Buedingen shortly before immigrating to Russia, what was the status of the children who traveled with them to Russia? They are listed as if they are the couple's biological children. We've already established that the eldest daughter, Anna Maria, probably was not Schott's biological child. Would they have had two biological children out of wedlock? That was not unheard of, but having two children years before they married seems unusual. Were both children Schott's step-children? Or was this a different Jacob and Anna Schott?

More curious is what happened to Anna Maria Spengler Schott after she arrived in the Volga region. It's very possible that she died either on the journey or shortly after her arrival in Grimm. The trip was notoriously perilous and many people died before reaching their final destination. This was not unusual and in fact very probable.

If Spengler's daughter ended up in Galka, however, and her step-father lived in Grimm, why didn't she stay with her step-father in Grimm? How did she get to Galka? If Spengler's daughter was born in 1755, she would have been 12 at the time the family arrived in the Volga region of Russia. That was probably too young an age for a girl to go off on her own and live with another family in a village far away from where one's biological or step-father was located. So if in fact she was Spengler's daughter, that seems to imply that her mother was still living and she lived in Galka with her daughter Anna Maria Schott.

If Anna Maria Spengler was still living after 1767, then she and her husband Johann Jakob Schott must have divorced. While divorce was not common amongst Volga Germans, there are several documented cases of it in the Volga German colonies. If the couple divorced either in Oranienbaum prior to the journey to Grimm or immediately after arriving in Grimm, that would have given Schott enough time to marry Anna Margaretha Becker and allow her to give birth to son Andreas by 1768, the birth year attributed to him in the 1775 census.

If this Anna Maria Schott was the daughter of the other Johann Jakob Schott and his wife Anna Catharina, then none of this matters. It was a coincidence that she ended up in Grimm in 1798 where the Johann Jakob Schott of this profile was living and they were not related. This makes that comment, see Mai1798:Gm27" very misleading. Only one Schott daughter moved from Galka to Grimm, and she would have been completely unrelated to the Schott family already living there. This Schott daughter was the widow of Christian Zisch of Galka, and one of their children, Johann Dietrich Zisch, lived with his mother and her second husband Gottfried Schultz at the time of the 1798 Grimm census.

The second mention of the Schotts in AHSGR's Origins Project refers to a Jakob Schott, Grimm FSL #68, from Mehlis. It goes on to say:

"The Buedingen ML says that a man with this man’s name married 8 April 1766 Spengler{A.Maria} (Mai&Marquardt#495)"

This appears to reference Anna Maria Spengler, although it does not address the possibility of her being previously married to someone else and whether or not there were any children involved, either from her former husband or her new husband. I'll let that topic rest for now. What isn't clear is how researchers determined that the Grimm Schott was a match with the Schott mentioned in this record. It may be listed in the 1767 Grimm census, of which I do not have a copy to refer to. I will try to track down a copy and see if that confirms the connection.

I researched the town name of Mehlis and can find nothing but Zella-Mehlis which is currently in Thuringia, although it used to be in Hesse. That matches what is known about Volga Germans in Hesse being targeted for immigration to Russia, but there is no information about a Johann Jacob Schott being born there. Additional church birth records in that town must be checked.

One of the sources I referred to were German vital records, which kept using the word Schotten along with the surname Schott. Since surnames are often based on a location, I looked Schotten up on a map. It turns out it is town in the middle of Hesse. It seems likely that people with the surname Schott must have had an ancestor who was at some point from that town. Research on Schotten continues.

What is most important to note is that both these Johann Jakob Schotts were not from Wuerttemberg, the place we originally thought he was born, although Johann Jakob Schott's parents could have moved to another town after he was born.

The final mention is both affirming and confusing:

" [T]his may be the marriage of a different Schott, since in the 1798 census, this Schott’s wife’s maiden name is given as Becker. KS158 says he was going to Boisroux."

Yes, it confirms that the Grimm Schott was married to a woman named Becker, who clearly isn't Spengler. In fact, The Grimm Johann Jakob Schott was listed as being married to Anna Margaretha Becker in each of the three censuses in the late 1700s. But he could still be the person who married Spengler first in Germany, and Becker second in Russia. In that case, he and Spengler must have divorced around the same time they arrived in Grimm, or Spengler died prior to 1767 and he remarried.

The confusing part is, KS158 says he was going to Boisroux. The mention of a completely different village throws a wrench in everything. The only thing I think is clear is that whoever was going to Boisroux was a different person, or Schott, than the one in Grimm.

I looked up the Boisroux 1798 census to see if I could find any Schotts there, and there were none. Interestingly, however, there were several Spenglers listed, and it looks like they were all related to David Spengler, family #Bx51, born in 1740. In the 1767 Boisroux census, it says he was a farmer from Dessau. His wife, Maria, was 26, and they had a son, Christian, age 2. He was of an age where he could have been a younger sibling or nephew of Anna Maria Spengler. Is it a coincidence that his surname is the same as the possible first wife of this Johann Jacob Schott, or are Anna Maria Spengler and David Spengler related?

Research on this family continues.


Sources

  • "Deutschland Geburten und Taufen, 1558-1898," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VH3X-PHH : 28 November 2014), Johannes Schott in entry for Johann Jacob Schott, 04 Jun 1739; citing ; FHL microfilm 1,055,754.
  • Ancestry.com. Württemberg, Germany, Lutheran Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1500-1985 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2016. Original data: Lutherische Kirchenbücher, 1500-1985. Various sources.
  • The 1775 and 1798 Census of the German Colony on the Volga, Lesnoy Karamysh, also known as Grimm; Published by the American Historical Society of Germans from Russia, Lincoln, Nebraska, USA; Published date: 1995; famiily #143 in the 1775 census, Jakob Schott, age 35; family #32 in the 1798 census, Jakob Schott, age 59.
  • 1834 Census of Grimm in the District of Saratov, Russia, dated 2 February 1835; Translated by Brent Mai, Concordia University, Portland, Oregon; Published by Dynasty Publishing, Beaverton, OR, USA; Published 2011; page 14, family #44, line 440, Jakob Schott, age 76 in 1816, deceased 1824.
  • Pleve, Igor. Einwanderung in das Wolgagebiet 1764-1767, Bands 1, 3 and 4; Published by Alfred Eisfeld with Cooperation from Sabine Eichwald, Nordost-Institute in Goettingen, 2005; pages 146 and 157 in Band 3.
  • Eichhorn, Dr. Alexander, Dr. Jacob and Mary Eichhorn. The Immigration of German Colonists to Denmark and Their Subsequent Emigration to Russia in the Years 1759-1766; Bonn, Germany and Midland Michigan, USA; Drukerei und Verlag Steinmeier GmbH & Co. Kg, Deiningen, Germany, 2012; page 409, family 427.
  • Pleve, Igor, Lists of Colonists to Russia in 1766, "Reports by Ivan Kulberg," Ministry of Education and Science of Russian Federation, Saratov State Technical University; Published in Saratov, Russia, 2010; page 131, Jacob Schott, Lutheran, farmer from Stolberg, document number 1796, wife Anna, children: Joahnn, age 4, Anna Maria, age 11, and Anna, age 1.
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Mike Schott
I would like to Join the Schott Family Project
posted by Mike Schott
Christine (Schott) Kraft
I would love to join the Schott Family Name project. Christine (Schott) Kraft
posted by Christine (Schott) Kraft
Robert Schott
Hi Julie, I'd like to join this study. Not sure how contributions work or what time I'll have, but glad to pitch in here and there.
posted by Robert Schott
Sherry (Schott) Graff
I would like to join the Schott Name Study.
posted by Sherry (Schott) Graff
Noland-165 Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Hi! I created the companion category for your name study (Category:Schott Name Study). Feel free to edit it. The default for the template is to add the main category, but you can add a line to have a different category. See the ONS template page for details. Give me a holler if you have any questions about categorization.

I also created a redirect, so Project:Schott (the link for the button from the Schott surname page) brings you to this page.

Cheers, Liz

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett

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